00:16:36 Linda Kinchenton: morning everyone 00:25:35 Kathy Douglas(she/her): K/Cathy /////what about Kathy? 00:26:05 sharonmcrann: Good Morning Everyone!! 00:26:11 Kathy T, Cobourg ON: yes, I was thinking Kathy/Cathy would be another common name 00:30:11 Paula: good morning everyone! I have another zoom gathering this morning and want you all to know I will be leaving this meeting early 00:30:34 Debbie Brill: Good morning from Lamont Alberta! 00:33:23 debbie: I may have to duck out as I am expecting a call sometime today. If so, it has been such a blessing being with you all the last couple of days. Thanks to everyone who contributed to version 1 and version 2 of our gathering! May blessings spiral round us all today and always. 00:33:35 Laura Hunter: Greetings all. Let's try to remember to take a picture of the "windows" of lots of people wearing black for "Thursdays in Black" 00:34:05 John Robertson: Thanks Heather! Well done! 00:34:05 P2P Heather S: hi there I have to be in and out today, I'm so sorry! 00:35:30 Amy Crawford: We can also change our names to #thursdaysinblack if we wish. 00:36:32 Cheryl Kirk: Thanks for adding your voice to the music. I enjoyed it- felt less lonely. Great job, Heather! 00:36:44 Laura Hunter: good idea, Amy. Maybe you can remind us how we do that. 00:37:07 Linda Clark, Hamilton ON: there is also the 'reactions' tab at the bottom of my screen, that shows a clapping hand or a thumbs up... 00:41:02 Helen Reed Chinook Winds Alberta: I'm Ok with my own name :) I need names to remind me who the faces belong to. 00:41:05 Amy Crawford: On a laptop or desktop, if you hover your mouse over your photo, three dots (ellipsis) will appear. Click on that and a popup menu will appear. Click on rename and type #thursdaysinblack into the box. 00:41:20 Heather R: Thanks to everyone for your affirmations. I was so honoured to be asked to do the music. 00:41:31 Linda Clark, Hamilton ON: they may need our names on our pictures for voting purposes 00:42:03 Lori Stewart: How be we change our names when the screen shot is being taken--could someone alert us to do it at a particular time? 00:42:11 Amy Crawford: We can change and change back easily. Perhaps at an agreed upon time, so that we all know when the screenshot is being taken. We typically don't smile for the photo as well. 00:42:29 Linda Clark, Hamilton ON: good idea Amy. 00:42:53 Lori Stewart: it's so exciting when a treasurer loves their job! 00:43:07 Thursdays in Black: yes 00:43:35 Linda M Ervin: Thank you Helen for saying yes those long days ago and for the good work you have been doing 00:44:34 Deborah #thursdaysinblack: It also might be helpful to put it after your name. The chat box will not show who you are if it only says “Thursdays in Black.” 00:45:45 Thursdays in Black: Helen, could you send our tax receipts by email? I get many that way. 00:46:20 Marcie Gibson: how did you get a zoom account for only 120$ per year? 00:46:33 Deborah #thursdaysinblack: I wondered that too. 00:48:13 Kathy T, Cobourg ON: Rent for what building? 00:48:40 Eric Tusz-King: Zoom expenses are shared 50% with another part of my ministry with CoopZone. 00:48:51 Marcie Gibson: Thanks Eric :) 00:49:16 Deborah Deavu: Thanks Eric 00:50:06 Christina Paradela: Is it cheaper to pay for our membership via etransfers than PAR? (did I get that right?) 00:50:17 Kathy T, Cobourg ON: will there be a refund? 00:50:27 Carolynne Bouey Shank: Helen referred to “book” 00:50:30 Melanie Ihmels (she,her): do we get that refund back? 00:50:44 Vicki McPhee: we already have it back 00:50:56 Vicki McPhee: we paid in 2019, received it back in 2020 00:51:21 Allan Gairns: usually etransfers don't cost 00:51:32 Christina Paradela: thanks 00:51:34 Diane Trollope: I do post dated cheques. 00:51:47 Linda Clark, Hamilton ON: someone else asked about sending the tax receipts via email 00:51:50 Joan Tuchlinsky: And we could add a small donation to cover the extra cost of PAR. 00:52:14 Linda Clark, Hamilton ON: or is that more work? 00:52:59 Diane Trollope: You can do that annually. 00:53:45 Debra Kigar: While etransfers might "cost" less, my experience is that you end up with more money coming in because sometimes people forget to etransfer regularly. PAR means I never forget. 00:54:30 P2P Heather S: although e-transfers can be scheduled as recurring 00:54:42 Diane Trollope: When is the PAR taken out monthly? 00:54:44 Debra Kigar: i like supporters vs membership -- because we have 300+ "members" in DUCC according to our database and about 90 of them are financial supporters/donors. 00:54:49 David Hewitt: Oooo, let's talk about that! 00:54:54 Lori Stewart #thursdaysinblack: You already cover the cost of PAR with your donation--DUCC just gets that few cents less of your monthly donation. 00:55:09 David Hewitt: As in, to be a Diaconal, you are also a DUCC. 00:56:41 Diane Trollope: Who are in the Regional groups? 00:56:43 Eric Tusz-King: And don't forget that Zoom is free for your use to hold regional meetings. 00:58:43 Michelle Owens: What is the process for increasing our PAR donations? 00:58:58 Mark Laird: You email Helen and tell her what you want it to be 00:59:08 Debra Kigar: Helen you do amazing work!! 00:59:29 Lynda: are world diaconal fees covered still by the national church? 00:59:53 Ted Dodd (he, him, his): Helen: let's make her treasurer for life! 01:00:02 Christina Paradela: Thanks Helen for your work. I applaud you!! 01:00:03 Heather Thursdays in Black: Thank you Helen!! 01:00:11 Marlene Britton: Yay Helen 01:00:13 Anne Duncan: I would second that Ted! 01:00:20 Ken DeLisle: Great work Helen 01:00:26 Linda Clark, Hamilton ON: one of the best treasurer reports ever! so organized and clear 01:00:28 Tracy (she/her) St. Thomas United Church: Huge thanks, Helen! You are awesome! 01:00:36 Melanie Ihmels (she,her): I may have missed this is the Par monthly donation different from our yearly membership fee? 01:00:41 Barbara Lieurance: Thank you, Helen! Great! 01:00:47 Debra Kigar: That would be classic in the church TED -- all roles end up being for life!! don't they? 01:00:47 Carolynne Bouey Shank: thank you Helen 01:00:51 Terrie Chedore: You are awesome, Helen, to be sure!! 01:00:56 Cheryl Kirk: Thanks for your work, Helen. 01:00:59 Irene: I second Ted's suggestion!! Thanks Helen from Irene 01:01:00 Deborah Deavu: Wow, the finances are so different that they were in the early days of DUCC 01:01:07 Debbie Brill: Thank you very much Helen! I really appreciate the clarity. 01:01:41 Mark Laird: Some people split up the 'membership' into monthly par donations. 01:01:48 Christina Paradela: Yes, terms of office are important! 01:03:34 David Hewitt: Not technically a finance question -- maybe for when we're looking at the purpose -- can we have another clarification on "membership?" I heard Helen say something different from Deb. I hope that the declaration is that ALL diaconal ministers are members of DUCC. Some also offer financial support. If this is correct (and I hope it is), then it's a change from prior practice and should be reflected in the Mission and Purpose statement. 01:04:21 Debra Kigar: David -- that is what I said. Our database is all our "members" and of those about 1/3 are financial supporters/donors 01:04:35 David Hewitt: Yes, I heard Deb say it. 01:04:39 Melanie Ihmels (she,her): Thank you David I think that is part of what I am getting confused on. 01:05:24 Michelle Owens: I believe that DUCC membership is also open to people who are not (commissioned) Diaconal Ministers 01:05:50 Ted Dodd (he, him, his): Darwin is moved to 2022. 01:05:51 Diane Trollope: Can we somehow share some stories of our wirk be written up for the Mission & Service booklet, or however that will be done? 01:05:56 Marcie Gibson: thank you Michelle yes 01:06:05 Debra Kigar: yes DUCC database is everyone who considers themselves diaconal or a friend to diakonia 01:08:52 Carolynne Bouey Shank: is Ted Todd our DOTAC rep.? 01:08:58 Vicki McPhee: yes 01:09:15 Adam Hanley: regarding DUCC and Minutes for Mission. Would someone be willing to write up the importance of connection with DOTAC? I can certainly pass along to Ruth Noble, as our GCO team is always looking at new items for Minutes for Mission 01:09:39 Karen Tjaden: I wonder if we could consider continuing to pay the higher membership for Affirm going forward - 250? 01:09:45 Linda Clark, Hamilton ON: I love the change in terminology. thanks 01:10:24 Ted Dodd (he, him, his): I am the DOTAC representative for DUCC. 01:10:32 Eric Tusz-King: Adam, 01:10:44 Karen Tjaden: does that “all diaconal ministers” include those who are not commissioned but consider themselves and their ministry to be diaconal 01:11:14 Eric Tusz-King: Adam, Ted Dodd will probably do this. Do you have his contact info? 01:12:14 Karen Tjaden: in the 4 year budget it is still 100 01:12:36 Karen Tjaden: sure great and thanks! 01:12:46 alice: Lots of good work Helen. Thank you. 01:12:59 Melanie Ihmels (she,her): Awesome Helen! 01:13:27 Karen Tjaden: Thanks Helen for such a clear presentation! and for all the collaborative work and vision reflected in the budgets! 01:13:35 Tammy Allan: There is a special place in heaven for treasurers! 01:13:49 Joan Tuchlinsky: Thank you so much Helen for all that you do. It is appreciated. 01:15:14 Kathy T, Cobourg ON: can we call our communication the DUCC NEWS that uses the server, Mail Chimp...mail chimp is not the name of our publication. 01:17:37 Eric Tusz-King: We learned yesterday that GCO wants more DUCCs to volunteer in UC ecumenical and interfaith organizations and events 01:17:38 Melanie Ihmels (she,her): I spent some time on the DUCC website and easily found our vision but could not find our purpose. Is it the same thing? 01:17:42 sharonmcrann: Thank you Helen for sharing your gifts in a way that many do not feel qualified or able to do. 01:19:35 David Hewitt: Given the previous conversation on membership, the statement needs to begin with "DUCC is..." and describe the membership. THEN it can proceed with the mission and purpose, which I think is fine. The website is NOT clear that you can be a member without financially supporting. 01:19:36 Diane Trollope: Our region is across the whole North. From Thunder Bay to Val' d' Or Quebec. 01:19:36 Kathy Douglas(she/her): and better for the environment 01:19:47 Allan Gairns: do this zoom thing between in person gatherings 01:20:22 alice: Thanks Vicki for your committed and creative leadership. Amazing when you are also in full time ministry. 01:20:30 Jen Carter-Morgan: as a student, this online gathering has been such a blessing to be able to be a part of. 01:20:43 Helen Reed Chinook Winds Alberta: Thanks David We'll work on that too. 01:21:03 Tammy Allan: I have “double Zoomed” booked. I have another meeting I need to sign onto, so will not be returning to the meeting after the break out rooms. Sorry for that. Blessings to all! 01:21:09 Karen Tjaden: zoom is great for some purposes but I hope we do not replace in person gatherings - they are vital to our community and this zoom works better for me because I have met many of you in person previously at national or international gatherings - without that connection I might not be as likely to just join zoom gathering 01:21:34 Susan Reed: Where can we find the DUCC purpose written? I have too many files in front of me.. 01:21:52 Michelle Owens: https://www.ducc.ca/ducc-organization/ 01:33:20 Paula: I would be interested in organizing a diagonal gathering in the Pacific mountain region 01:34:09 Kathy T, Cobourg ON: I'll send notes to you later Vicki from our chat group 01:34:52 Paula: I have another zoom meeting in a few minutes...so grateful for us being able to have our national gathering via zoom. much love to all 01:34:54 Vicki McPhee: thank you 01:34:57 Allan Gairns: DUCC should issue E-membership cards. And everyone should add to their business cards etc "I m a Member of DUCC" 01:36:10 Melanie Ihmels (she,her): Ted I am interested. 01:38:25 Laura Hunter: From Breakout Room #4 - We discussed the need for a clearer, perhaps more formal relationship between CCS and DUCC. Could Coordinating Committee open a dialogue with CCS about what this could look like? A number of good reasons for this - common pool of volunteers, donors, thinkers...etc. 01:38:26 Lori Stewart #thursdaysinblack: Did Laura Richardson also help with local arrangements? 01:39:30 Christina Paradela: MAGIC!!! 01:39:57 Debra Kigar: Interesting comment from breakout room#4. I remember a time when there was great discussion about being clear that they were 2 very separate entities. 01:40:30 Carolynne Bouey Shank: what about on Ernst 01:41:03 Carolynne Bouey Shank: what about reacting tobudget and other reports? 01:42:08 Carolynne Bouey Shank: With motions or affirmations? 01:42:13 P2P Heather S: I agree Debra - that was a strongly held view. Not only recognizing the WBFP at St. Steve's and that Sandy-Saulteaux also has a diaconal formation program. 01:42:40 Kathy T, Cobourg ON: can we know a bit about Melanie? 01:42:47 Michelle Owens: From my perspective (Principal, CCS and in Breakout Room #4) - it's precisely because we are separate that we need to be attentive to our relationship with one another (just the way we at CCS do with SSSC and other schools) 01:43:06 Heather Thursdays in Black: We talked about connecting with students about DUCC, Dotac and WDA in breakout group #10 01:43:20 Linda Clark, #thursdaysinblack: remember that CCS is both a United and Anglican organization. That may be the reason for the differentiation. 01:43:33 Melanie Ihmels (she,her): I am a Diaconal Candidate (commissioned this year) in Victoria Canada 01:43:37 Michelle Owens: And there are DUCC members who are not alumni 01:44:27 Debra Kigar: Thanks Michelle - the earlier comment sounded much more "exclusive" than the way you expressed it. 01:44:27 Kathy T, Cobourg ON: thank you, Melanie...sounds like you would be a great asset to the Coordinating Committee 01:44:42 Helen Reed Chinook Winds Alberta: #8 identified the need for conversation and support between CCS and DUCC. 01:44:55 Melanie Ihmels (she,her): Thanks Kathy:) 01:44:57 Kathy T, Cobourg ON: There are a number of us who are not CCS alumni. 01:44:57 Barbara H#Thursdaysinblack: And Melanie is active with an ecumenical group of the Diakonia here in Victoria 01:45:19 Debbie Brill: absolutely Michelle. Thank you for that reminder. 01:46:47 Melanie Ihmels (she,her): Thanks Barbara. 01:47:00 susanbutler-jones: You are forgiven Ted 01:48:35 Michelle Owens: Jody Maltby and Bri-anne Swan are both in Shining Waters 01:48:38 Michelle Owens: And Marlene 01:48:51 Deb#thursdaysinblack: you don't need to ask GCO for that information -- I have it all for you in our database!! 01:48:59 Lori Stewart #thursdaysinblack: Lynn Smith? 01:49:13 Kathy T, Cobourg ON: Yay, Debra 01:49:13 Diane Trollope: I am sure our Region can give up names 01:49:26 Barbara H#Thursdaysinblack: Our Pacific Mountain region has water and ferries that separate us. Makes it challenging 01:49:35 Marcie Gibson: What is the listing of “All Nations”? 01:49:47 Marcie Gibson: do you mean the national indigenous organization? 01:50:01 Vicki McPhee: All Nations has its own region 01:50:18 Marcie Gibson: ?? no- not yet 01:50:42 Deb#thursdaysinblack: I think Marcie's terminology is the current correct one..... 01:55:06 Lori #thursdaysinblack: Is there anyone doing cool stuff with faith formation with children and youth during this time of church building closure? CCS would like to do a story on grads who are working in this are, so if you would be willing to be interviewed. let me know. 01:55:51 Catherine Gutjahr: what kind of documents are you looking for? 01:56:46 Laura Hunter: Lori, GO Project did some good work. Alana is a student. 02:01:21 Deborah L #thursdaysinblack: If you don’t have your profile on the website, please go to the website and fill in the template. I would like to have more profiles than memorials. 02:01:35 Carolynne Bouey Shank: 1984- Barbara Elliott and Betty 02:02:10 Eric Tusz-King: The Archives Committee will putting out an announcement saying what types of documents it wants. Generally it is correspondence, minutes, etc. 02:02:18 Carolynne Bouey Shank: marlin were very involved 02:06:41 Dave #thursdaysinblack: Ted, what are you showing us? 02:07:07 Helen Reed Chinook Winds Alberta: That was the quietest we been forever ! 02:07:40 Ted #Thursdays in Black: That is the Thursdays in Black button. 02:08:45 Allan Gairns #Thursdays in Black: hello Folks 02:09:14 Allan Gairns #Thursdays in Black: I suggest that all music be prerecorded and imbedded for next meetings. 02:09:48 Linda KInchenton UK: version of the Bible has been used for Worship? 02:09:48 Carolynne Bouey Shank: Christine Dudley is 02:10:40 Carolynne Bouey Shank: Christine Dudley is at emergency with her partner Jody who is not well 02:10:58 Ted #Thursdays in Black: oh dear. 02:11:19 YoonOk Shin: Oh Noooo 02:11:30 Linda M Ervin: keep us posted 02:11:41 Crocker # Thursdays in black : I am really enjoying the version or versions of of scripture readings being used. Could the worship team provide a copy or reference for us? 02:11:43 Linda KInchenton UK: embedded music needs special licences 02:11:52 Sharon Thursdays in black: Oh no, hope he will be okay 02:12:07 elizabeth bowyer: oh dear indeed. Jody has been on many Zoom calls here in the PMRC. Sorry to hear that.... 02:12:17 Ted #Thursdays in Black: prayers for Yvonne Naismith whose husband Neil died on Sunday morning. 02:12:29 Jen # thursdays in black: laughing bird from Australia and the message 02:12:45 YoonOk Shin: can we have a moment for praying? 02:13:28 Carolynne Bouey Shank: concern for those in ministry in Nova Scotia following the shooting earlier. 02:27:17 Dave #thursdaysinblack: Thanks Carolynne. 02:27:43 Jen #thursdaysinblack: thank you everyone, this was my first DUCC gathering and it’s been so lovely to be a part of it. 02:27:55 Christina #thursday in black: what version are you reading?? 02:28:53 John Robertson: just a shout out to Terry Chedore....I was able to attend your workshop on graphic arts in Winnipeg at the last DUCC gathering,. your presentation during worship yesterday was equally as rewarding. Many thanks for your gifts, and your willingness to share them. 02:30:58 Ken Thursday in Black: Thank you all for this. Lots of work to arrange. A second best way to gather and see so many of us Blessings 02:31:18 Sharon Thursdays in black: So good to see everyone and to be part of this gathering. Many thanks to Vicki, Helen and all who were part of putting this together. 02:31:18 Christina #thursday in black: Thanks so much for all the work that made this happen! 02:31:29 Anne #Thursdays in black: Than you to all who made this gathering possible. It has been a gift in this uncertain time. 02:32:04 elizabeth bowyer: Yes, echoing thanks during this strange time of self isolation.... 02:32:08 YoonOk Shin: we are strong in God's love and mercy 02:32:11 Melanie #Thursdays in Black: THanks for all the work poured into this! Has been wonderful! 02:32:12 Deborah #thursdaysinblack: Thanks to all who put this together and made it happen! 02:32:12 Debbie #Thursdays in Black: Thank you everyone! It's been great to be with you. A special thank you to the planning committee. Blessed be! 02:32:13 Laura #ThursdaysinBlack: Many thanks all! 02:32:13 Ellen#Thursday inBlack: Thank you to all for this gathering 02:32:33 Heather S #ThursdaysinBlack: THANK YOU!!! 02:32:35 Linda KInchenton UK: thank you for letting me join you from the UK 02:32:38 Ted #Thursdays in Black: blessings to all and gratitude to the organizers. 02:32:44 alice: for the blessings of this time together, Thank you! 02:32:46 Marcie #thursdays in black: thanks everyone! blessings. 02:32:53 Kathy#thursdays in black: blessings all 02:33:05 Joan #ThursdaysinBlack: Thanks everyone! 02:33:10 Deb#thursdaysinblack: hugs to all!! thanks to all who coordinated these 3 days. 02:33:11 Tracy (she/her) St. Thomas United Church: Thank you everyone! Especially Vicki and Eric for organizing this all - well done!!! 02:33:28 Diane/Thursdays in Black: Thank you for this time together as DUCCs. Very meaningful. 02:33:33 Eric Tusz-King: This was great! 02:33:38 Barbara Hansen: Virtual Hugs to all! Thanks to all who organized. 02:33:39 Cheryl Kirk: thanks!!!!! 02:33:49 Deborah #Thursdays in Black: Thanks everyone 02:33:49 Kristin #thurdaysinblack: Thanks so much everyone! Blessings!!! 02:34:01 Allan Gairns #Thursdays in Black: Good meeting 02:34:07 Allan Gairns #Thursdays in Black: thanks everyone 02:34:25 Terrie-#thursdays in black: I posted the painting on the DOTAC facebook page 02:34:32 karen#thursdaysinblack: thanks so much to the planning group and everyone for gathering, blessings as we scatter! 02:34:44 Marg#Thursdays in Black: great to see and be with you all again. Take care and God's blessings.